Podcast Released: Interview with Martin Fowler


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In this episode, we are “very excited” to welcome Martin Fowler (@MartinFowler) to the show. Martin shares his story with our host, Ryan Lockard (@AgilePHL), covering his early days with Extreme Programming on C3 with Kent Beck, his first engagement with Thoughtworks (@thoughtworks) and of course his time with the Manifesto in Snowbird.

While Martin admits to having little memory of Snowbird, he does provide a lot of new insight not heard in our prior interviews. Specifically his work on the paper “The New Methodology” and his work with the XP Leaders Conference that pre-dated Snowbird. While the conversation only briefly touches on Martin’s memory of Snowbird, we spend about half our time discussing the state of Agile and Martin’s unique wishes for emerging agile practitioners and developers. In this conversation we discuss Martin’s paper, “Flaccid Scrum”.

This interview is part of a larger series where @AgileUprising is attempting to interview the Agile Manifesto signatories. You can the project status and links to prior interviews, here.


Martin fowler mentioned people that should have been at Snowbird that have not been. The one person that comes into my mind is Jerry Weinberg. Any idea why he was not there?


Martin did not explicitly list Jerry. He did send me a list of names and groups, which is below. We are already working on episodes with some, some are scheduled and others are on the backlog:

  • Big Dave Thomas
  • Laurie Williams
  • Mary and Tom Poppendieck
  • Pramod Sadalage
  • Josh Kerievsky
  • Rebecca Wirfs-Brock
  • Rebecca Parsons
  • Eric Evans
  • Rob Mee
  • Bill Wake
  • Phillipe Kruchten
  • people at Rogue River get together
  • Martine Devos
  • Open source crowd
  • Dianna Larsen and James Shore (agile fluency)
  • London XP crowd :: Rachel Davies, Tim Mackinnon, Ivan Moore
  • Michele Marchesi, Giancarlo Succi, Jason Yip (organizers of XP 2000)
  • Don Wells


Thanks for that list.
I’m really surprised that Jerry is not even on that list. Wasn’t he active in that community at the time?